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The Journal Gazette

Monday, October 09, 2017 1:00 am


Protesters owe apology

People have the right to protest, but in this case they chose the wrong time to do it. They dishonored our flag and every person who is serving, has served, fought and in some cases died so that these protesters could have the right to protest. It is because of the sacrifices of the people who fought for the flag that we have the freedoms we have today. What do they think would happen if they played sports in another country such as North Korea and protested when their national anthem and flag were being honored. It would be game over. They owe an apology to America. If it wasn't for our flag and patriots, we would still be a part of England or even known as possibly the Confederate States of America.

Art Hutter


Logic adherent needs a refresher course

In the Sept. 25 Journal Gazette, Anthony W. Gensic claimed he was going to tell us why DACA kids (Dreamers) should not be allowed to stay in the U.S. by being fully logical. He said he thinks in this way since taking a logic class years ago.

But there is (at least) one fatal flaw with his dissertation. If you make a basic assumption at the beginning of a logic argument that is wrong, then build the rest of your logic on it, the whole thing fails. Here is the problem: DACA kids coming in to the U.S. is not the same as people across the street sneaking into your house and taking up residence in your spare bedroom (that's a false equivalence).

Obviously, strangers in my house would be a major problem. But I don't know if I have ever been directly aware of the presence of any of the 800,000 young people who were brought here not of their own accord as children. They are not causing the kind of interruption that someone in your house would. I suspect Gensic makes the logic error of starting with the conclusion he wants (DACA kids shouldn't be allowed to stay), then building a “logical” argument in its favor. But this breaks a cardinal rule of logic. The false equivalency he assumes, way oversimplifying that having DACA kids in the U.S. is the same as strangers moving into your spare bedroom, is specious, and because the rest of his logic rests on that assumption, the whole idea falls apart.

A second problem, possibly not so directly the result of faulty logic, is that (and I don't know whether this applies to Gensic) so many of the people who espouse his conclusions and take comfort in his argument to cruelly send DACA youth back to where they came from (never mind that most of them don't even know those countries) sit piously in church on Sundays, claiming to follow a leader who instructed his followers to welcome the stranger and to help the helpless in need. Could there be any better example of such people in need?

Some will argue that this opens some kind of floodgate for all undocumented immigrants. I disagree. Draw a line about immigration if you will. Just don't draw it to exclude DACA kids, who are here by no choice of their own and have been model citizens, with a lot to contribute, and belong here. They are actually the kind we need to keep this country strong into the future. Remember, most of our ancestors got here without documents.

Finally, Gensic asks whether he is alone in approaching this logically. No, I don't think so. He just based his entire logic on an erroneous concept. Time for a refresher in logic class.

Dr. Phil Wright


Where Trump was wrong

President Donald Trump has stirred up a lot of controversy over NFL players taking a knee during the playing of the national anthem. I believe in this case he was wrong in his assessment. These players should be getting down on both knees and thanking God and the millions of veterans living and dead who give them the right to disrespect that flag that they fought and died for. If I were an owner of an NFL team, I would not allow a player representing my team to act in that way. And if I were the commissioner of the NFL and a team did not come out for the playing of the national anthem, they would pay a heavy fine.

David L. Koch